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Post by bartyrocks3 on Nov 14, 2016 22:09:09 GMT
Hello. I am developing a game console that is pretty small. I am going to call it the IceBox. Before I can start to manufacture this game console, I need to know if anybody on this forum would be developers for my console. It has slightly low specs, so I am asking for kinda low quality optimized. I will be supporting games in unity and 3d rad, but I think that might be it.
Anyway, If you are interested, here are the specs you would be working with:
-CPU: R8 1GHz Quad-Core Processor -RAM: 512mb DDR3 -GFX: 256mb Integrated Graphics
If you create a game for my console, it should be under 1gb. 2gb is okay if you have to go there, but people might not be happy because it only has 4gb of built in storage.
-bartyrocks3
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Post by bartyrocks3 on Nov 14, 2016 22:11:33 GMT
I was thinking that maybe their could be a bundle with my game console. For example: Caged Photon edition IceBox. I love kulu`s games. They are great! I would love it if we could set up some bundles.
We would both benefit.
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Post by Power Supersport on Nov 15, 2016 6:37:14 GMT
I am wondering how are you actually going to make a game console and is it worth it? Are you making it just for fun or you want to start a business and sell it?
A thing that you might wanna consider... For a 3D rad or Unity game to run on your console, you'll need windows... Windows requires a lot of RAM... Turns out that the requirements that you're focusing on are not even enough to properly run Windows... PC-s do that just great...
Then, instead of making a console, won't it be better for ya to focus more on game development for a specific console? If you're doing it just for fun, then go for it... I wish you the best... But otherwise there's no point in that...
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Post by indiedev on Nov 15, 2016 8:07:09 GMT
barty, those specs are the same as a cheap mobile phone, if i can barely even play kulu's games on my pc which is: 3.3 quad, 6gb, 2gb vga - then how will it run on that at all?
those specs would suit android phone games, unity games can run on android, rad can't, so quit dreamin'.
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Post by bartyrocks3 on Nov 15, 2016 12:32:57 GMT
Optimization. How do dyou think they run gta 5 on a ps3? Ps3 has a single core processor. Exactly. OPTIMIZATION. If I have to I will bump it up to a 1.2ghz quad core and 1gb ram.
Plus I have my certificate in hardware and I know how to sauder. Its not that hard when I know what I am doing.
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Post by indiedev on Nov 15, 2016 15:44:44 GMT
Optimization. How do dyou think they run gta 5 on a ps3? Ps3 has a single core processor. Exactly. OPTIMIZATION. If I have to I will bump it up to a 1.2ghz quad core and 1gb ram. Plus I have my certificate in hardware and I know how to sauder. Its not that hard when I know what I am doing. lol, ps3 is 8 core, better renew that certificate ASAP. ...bit late but, since it was made well over 5yrs ago. also rad won't run on android, no matter how many cores you have, and to run windows 10 you need 16Gb, so you better get your software certificate ASAP too.
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Post by Power Supersport on Nov 15, 2016 16:24:30 GMT
And how do you see the word "Optimization" in 3D Rad? I am trying to say here that Windows will barely run on that console, plus we all know how 3D Rad likes to suck all the free RAM and use it... In my everlasting attempts to make super optimized games with decent quality I've come to a conclusion that in 3D Rad you have to chose between performance and quality...
You might be asking why am I always mentioning Windows? Well, it's the platform that runs exe... And probably 3D Rad executables...
Please, don't get me wrong here at all... I told you, if you wanna do it for fun (you know, just to experiment with what you can do), then go for it... We will be glad to see what you did... It can be good for your experience and help your career...
But wanting people to develop games for your console? I mean, they don't have any possible success out there... If your reason isn't for fun, then you're wasting our time with developing games for your console, and you're also wasting your time making a console that can't compete any other one at all... Not in 2016 (2017)...
PS: Trying to be neutral here... Don't get anything offensive...
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Post by bartyrocks3 on Nov 15, 2016 18:36:14 GMT
I have already started working on my own os. It can run exe's and all the microsoft runtimes. I'll just show you guys later. When I buy all the components, Ill optimize my game just to show you guys I can do it.
Ps: what the heck ps3 are you talking about, 8 core?!?!?
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Post by NicusorN5 on Nov 15, 2016 19:22:23 GMT
Very cool!Looking forward for it !
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Post by TinSoldier on Nov 15, 2016 21:45:46 GMT
Optimization. How do dyou think they run gta 5 on a ps3? Ps3 has a single core processor. Exactly. OPTIMIZATION. If I have to I will bump it up to a 1.2ghz quad core and 1gb ram. Plus I have my certificate in hardware and I know how to sauder. Its not that hard when I know what I am doing. lol, ps3 is 8 core, better renew that certificate ASAP. ...bit late but, since it was made well over 5yrs ago. also rad won't run on android, no matter how many cores you have, and to run windows 10 you need 16Gb, so you better get your software certificate ASAP too. Ummm <cough> i have a win10 running on a 4G machine, and it also was installed on my POS dell with 2G of ram... you say 16G for Win10 ?? Looks like a few people here need those certificates updated
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Post by TinSoldier on Nov 15, 2016 21:54:52 GMT
I have already started working on my own os. It can run exe's and all the microsoft runtimes. I'll just show you guys later. When I buy all the components, Ill optimize my game just to show you guys I can do it. Ps: what the heck ps3 are you talking about, 8 core?!?!? You say you're working on your own OS, can i assume you mean DOS that will have windows support. If this what your doing, you'd probably be better off starting with something like FreeDOS , i'm not sure whether that is open source or not though & i'm not actually sure it supports windows either .. But if open source, then they've done a ton of work for you already to play with, that would give some sold ground work to start from.
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Post by WhyNot on Nov 16, 2016 2:03:45 GMT
I'm developing a 2D platformer. maybe I'll give you a copy of it try it if it will work. It's 2D so I don't think It will even need 1GB of RAM
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Post by indiedev on Nov 16, 2016 9:18:55 GMT
tin - i mean 16gb hdd space NOT ram, your certificate is now nearing invalidation, especially since you think new rad versions could even think about running on DOS - rad is directX 9, DOS was before win95 which then introduced directX 1.
barty - look up playstation 3 specs on wikipedia or anywhere how on earth do you still think it's 1 core & not 8? please return your certificate ASAP so it can be torn up!
...so custom OS huh? likely linux based wine etc, i assume? meaning it will convert directX to openGL which does not always work for every game and often requires alot of tweaking for each game to even get it working. even so your still dreaming if you think games like kulu's will run on those specs, maybe you should offer to make him an optimized pc version that runs even on a low end AMD laptop before you even think about trying it on an even weaker phone chip based console.
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Post by bartyrocks3 on Nov 16, 2016 20:16:06 GMT
It is not dos. Geez. I think this though just a little better. Maybe I should go with an a10 apu? Would any be backing if that was the case?
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Post by indiedev on Nov 17, 2016 3:47:15 GMT
no, tin said try dos, i said linux/wine as that's the only other thing that can run exes/directx but extremely inefficiently - most games run at 50% the speed of windows, which is fine using it for what most people do: playing older games on newer pc's [and not on phone chips] your specs are way too low as it is, add the 50% directX to openGL emulation performance hit to that and you have no chance of running much from rad at all, even on an A10 apu unless it's running on native windows maybe, if not using windows you'll need something 2x faster than an A10. as a test, try running some of these rad games on your console and OS at 60fps before you get too far ahead of yourself. www.huntspace.com.au/3D/freeGames.php
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Post by TinSoldier on Nov 19, 2016 3:19:06 GMT
You guys i tell ya...
Have you forgot that windows ISN'T an OS..
Just as windows always has it been, it is a DOS program that runs on DOS, just as it always has right from the beginning.
The difference with newer versions is that DOS is hidden or builtin to windows now, but it's still there...
Anyone on the forums here that think they could write something even slightly comparable to windows is fooling themselves, windows took years to get to it's current state of development.
If thats what your shooting for barty, asking us if we would "back you"... talk to us when you have something to show us, which i believe would be 6 , 7 , 8 or maybe 15 years from now...
PS i'm dropping out of this conversation, it's pointless...
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Post by indiedev on Nov 19, 2016 12:09:38 GMT
you're right tin, but dos is only used for low level stuff like booting, and administration etc, it does not, and likely won't ever support directX. and barty claiming to 'build his own OS' is likely just compiling a downloaded linux/wine variant which has also been in dev for years to get where it is, but is still far behind windows - heck, even steamOS is struggling to get there, and can't even run windows games unless streamed from a........windows PC! the only use for rad openGL emulation is for the future when windows 12 or whatever no longer runs dx9 games, so if barty can achieve that maybe he will gain some respect here, instead of just being the dreamer he currently is.
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Post by kulu on Nov 19, 2016 13:01:09 GMT
Hey . without dreams , sleep would be very boring . I dont know the first thing in making a console. but 3 years ago I also didnt know the first thing about making video games. who knows maybe there is an opportunity that will make console manufacturing, easier than it is today.
If i had to guess, I would look into how emulators are coded. before emulators, there was a gap between consoles and PCs , but now there is a bridge between the two. who knows where technology may go tomorrow.
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Post by bartyrocks3 on Nov 19, 2016 16:29:38 GMT
I will do what I can and look into everything, but I think I might have a plan...
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Post by indiedev on Nov 21, 2016 11:34:02 GMT
that's good barty, keep on dreamin' - but also keep those dreams firmly grounded in reality, as building your own OS is unlikely unless you are bill gates, and it's pretty clear that you are not quite there yet.
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